Fundamentalist evangelical Christians like to state that they are members of the largest religion in the world and imply that the 2.1 billion global Christians all think the same as they do and that Christianity is rapidly growing. That is clearly incorrect.

In Australia, of the roughly 64% identifying as Christian in 2006, the largest proportions were either Roman Catholic (25.8%) or Anglican (18.7%), with the third largest group being the 5.7% affiliated with the Uniting Church in Australia. Baptists account for 2.5% of the total Christian population. The National Church Life Survey found about 8.8% of the Australian population attended a church in one of the covered denominations in a given week in 2001. That means that 91.2% of the population didn't attend church. Australia is thus hardly a Christian nation but one of the most secularised nations in the world.

Church attendance in civilised Western countries countries is falling as are the number of people calling themselves Christian.

"many scholars around the world are noticing how the trend of Christianity is losing its light in the West but rising as the new light in Asia, Africa, and Latin America." - the less educated countries. ""In Western Europe, we are hanging on by our fingernails. The fact is that Europe is no longer Christian."

Found in

" American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS 2008)

Prior to 1990, the popularity of Christianity had been stable in the U.S. About 87% of adults identified themselves as Christians. The country then experienced a major change. Significant numbers of American adults began to disaffiliate themselves from Christianity and from other organized religions. By 2008, the percentage of Christians had reached 76% and is believed to be continuing its decline.

The ex-Christians do not seem to have joined new religious movements (NRMs) or other world religions; they mostly left organized religion entirely.

Since World War II, this same process had been observed in other countries, like the U.K., other European countries, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand.


Other links confirming this:


For statistical purposes: Groups which self-identify as part of Christianity include (but are not limited to): African Independent Churches (AICs), the Aglipayan Church, Amish, Anglicans, Armenian Apostolic, Assemblies of God; Baptists, Calvary Chapel, Catholics, Christadelphians, Christian Science, the Community of Christ, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ("Mormons"), Coptic Christians, Eastern Orthodox churches, Ethiopian Orthodox, Evangelicals, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, the Local Church, Lutherans, Methodists, Monophysites, Nestorians, the New Apostolic Church, Pentecostals, Plymouth Brethren, Presbyterians, the Salvation Army, Seventh-Day Adventists, Shakers, Stone-Campbell churches (Disciples of Christ; Churches of Christ; the "Christian Church and Churches of Christ"; the International Church of Christ); Uniate churches, United Church of Christ/Congregationalists, the Unity Church, Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, Vineyard churches and others. These groups exhibit varying degrees of similarity, cooporation, communion, etc. with other groups. None are known to consider all other Chrisian sub-groups to be equally valid. David Barrett, an Evangelical Christian who is the compiler of religion statistics for the Encyclopedia Britannica and the World Christian Encyclopedia, includes all of the groups listed above in the worldwide statistics for Christianity.



Obviously most in this list think that the others are "not true Christians".

If one looks at the numbers in each denomination one finds that of the 2.1 billion Christians on the face of the earth 1.2 billion are Catholics and only 670 million are Protestants. Protestants say that Catholics are "not true Christians" so, to be truthful, fundamentalist conservative evangelical Protestants should only count their 670 million as "true Christians" and from that number subtract all Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, liberal Christians and other Protestant groups they think are "not true Christians". This puts fundamentalist conservative evangelical Protestants who are "true Christians" a little less in numbers than traditional Chinese religion (ranked 5th).

The numbers of total Christians (which include those whom Christians think are "not true Christians") does not reflect the very small number of Christians they think are "true Christians". So Christians include those whom they think are "not true Christians" when it comes to global numbers that are beneficial to them but exclude those same "not true Christians" in daily practice. It's called hypocrisy and double standard.


There are massive differences between Catholic and Orthodox theology compared to Protestant theology and even greater differences when it comes to comparison with the small minority of fundamentalist conservative Protestant Christians.


World Christian Database as of 2007 estimated the growth rate of Christianity at 1.38%. This is far from "considerable". Compare this to other religions:


1.94% - Islam
1.70% - Bahá'í Faith
1.62% - Sikhism
1.57% - Jainism
1.52% - Hinduism
1.38% - Christianity


Christianity is lagging behind those other religions.

Then , of course, there has been the growth of atheism. The figures released in 2007 of the Australian Bureau of Statistics Census figures on religion demonstrates no-religion has increased by a marked 3.2% - that is 239.89% of the growth rate of Christianity.


Often quoted by evangelical Christians is the great numbers of Christians in the Sahara.

" the Christian share of the population of sub-Saharan Africa has soared over the past century, from 9% to 63%. Meanwhile, the think-tank says, the Christian proportion of Europeans and people in the Americas has dropped, respectively, from 95% to 76% and from 96% to 86%."  -

The article at  states "The majority of Christians in sub-Saharan Africa are Protestant (57%), ... About one-in-three Christians in the region (34%) are Catholic. Orthodox Christians account for about 8% of the region’s Christians, and other Christians make up the remaining 1%." - 

Evangelical Christians like to say that Catholics, Orthodox, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are "not true Christians" in ordinary everyday practice but when it comes to global numbers of Christians they are suddenly their best buddies. Nothing so wonderful as Christians counting heretics in their numbers.

Should we now mention how Christian belief has plummeted over the past 100 years in the West? " Europe now accounts for only 25.9 percent of the global Christian population, down 40 percent from a century ago."... While the majority of Christians lived in Europe in 1910, by 2010 only about one in four Christians live in Europe.” Europe accounted for 66.3 percent of the world’s Christian population in 1910. Today, it represents 25.9 percent. The proportion of European Christians has dropped from 94.5 percent of the population to 76.2 percent in 100 years.... The researchers used a broad definition in determining the number of Christians worldwide, with a sociological purpose rather than a theological one. “We are attempting to count groups and individuals who self-identify as Christian,” the report states. “This includes people who hold beliefs that may be viewed as unorthodox or heretical by other Christians. It also includes Christians who seldom pray or go to church.” ... Christianity has remained roughly one-third of the global population (35 percent in 1910, 32 percent in 2010), calling it a “picture of relative stability” as world population has grown.


 “Growing churches continue to grow and declining churches continue to decline,” according to the National Council of Churches’ 2011 Yearbook of American & Canadian Churches. What many of these reports do not say is that the churches that are growing, are simply picking up the members of those leaving the declining churches. ...

“If the current decline in church attendance were the medical case history of a hospital patient, the diagnosis would read: “Chronically ill; resistant to change; on life support; likely terminal.” The church itself is the one institution most in need of the very thing it proclaims to the world — salvation.”




Combat the WAR ON NEW YEAR'S DAY. Keep Janus in January as the tradition of over 2000 years states.

January 1 was the day was consecrated to Janus since it was the first of the new year and of the month (kalends) of Janus.  it was customary to exchange cheerful words of good wishes on that day.  Everyone devoted a short time to his usual business exchanged dates, figs and honey as a token of well wishing and gifts of coins called strenae. Cakes made of spelt (far) and salt were offered to the god and burnt on the altar.   Shortly afterwards, on January 9, on the feria of the Agonium of January the rex sacorum offered the sacrifice of a ram to Janus



ALEX LEGG IS NOT AS GREAT / EQUAL TO "Dylan / Waites / Cohen /Simon / Lennon" as claimed. For stating this obvious fact ALEX LEGG called me "pompous" and "party pooper", his lover ISOBEL BLACKTHORNE called me "fool" and their sycophant best friend PETER ALEXANDER SHIELDS asserted that Alex was indeed a genius. I was then blocked and banned from the Facebook page owned by Demi Denton for daring to criticise this grandiose pompous claim.

I have also received several personal insults of "fool" and "prick" by Alex Legg himself on my Facebook personal and musician pages and on Youtube for daring to daring to have the opinion that Alex Legg is not as great as / equal to "Dylan / Waites / Cohen /Simon / Lennon".  Alex Legg is still finding new ways to personally insult me a month later for daring to have this opinion. This poor little fellow's ego is in shock that someone doesn't see his "obvious" genius - "obvious genius" was mentioned repeatedly by Isobel Blackthorn and Peter Shields.


Alex's site is at He has a rejected Wikipedia page at .

Alex Legg, of Croydon, Victoria, has no record sales, concert attendances or Grammy Awards equal to "Dylan / Waites / Cohen /Simon / Lennon".  He plays on a Sunday at the Burrinja Cafe, Upwey, Victoria.

Interesting that the songs Alex is playing on I LIKE IT as his own compositions are actually credited to him and his ex-wife Jenny. Alex and Jenny recorded three albums together as a Christian duo – Falling off the Edge of the World 1993, Granite Stones and Clay 1996 and True Stories 2002. Co-credits are mentioned on "You Better Do Something".  See

What do others think about Alex legg's music? Here are some reviews ...


JENNY & ALEX LEGG - True Stories (ICC)

... Alex takes more time to make an impression ...  The album's main fault though, is that it starts well, goes through a (albeit long) good phase and then peters out. ...  Sound-wise the Leggs know the 1990s never happened, stuck as they are firmly in the 80s ... Paul Ganney. (September 1999)


Quoting Alex Legg from
" Alex believes that the world doesn't owe anyone a platform to perform and succeed as singer/songwriters. It's a status that has to be earned." Maybe he should take his own advice.

The failed song "Heaven Help Me" was pitched to Joe Cocker and rejected.

Listen to my answer to his pompous claims in a song called "Pompous Claims (Of How Great Thou Art)" at 

In our times, various ideologically dedicated groups increasingly use censorship, coercion, or propaganda to limit access to ideas, literature, and the arts that they consider threatening. p.74

Censorship, the twin brother of propaganda, is the tool of despots, of ideologues, of ayatollahs, of fanatics. p.96

Franky Schaeffer~"Sham Pearls For Real Swine" ( Wolgemuth & Hyatt; Brentwood:1990)

For daring to suggest that Alex Legg is NOT as great as / equal "Dylan / Waites / Cohen /Simon / Lennon" as claimed I am getting repeated abusive posts by his illiterate fans such as this piece of luv received on Facebook on Christmas Eve from Rob Harwood of Harwood Archive Studios, Montmorency, Victoria.

"... you fuckwit .... as for the alex legg bullshit cease and desist ... what a useless fuckwaster idiot"

I am now going to list the names of every one of the illiterate scumbag Alex Legg fans who send me such pieces of abuse.

My call for a boycott on Alex Legg's music is all about the right to have a personal opinion of a piece of music that is different to that of the musician, his lover and best friends. I maintain that it is totally appropriate to have such opinions. No-one should dictate to another that they must have a specific opinion on art. No two two people have 100% agreement on all matters to do with art.

SO ... if someone states that Alex Legg is as great as / equal "Dylan / Waites / Cohen /Simon / Lennon" then it is totally moral and ethically permissable for someone else to state the opposite. For this very simple and basic idea regarding human rights I have been continually attacked by Alex Legg, Isobeth Blackthorn and Peter Shields and blocked from Demi Denton's I LIKE IT page for musicians to share their music and repeatedly abused by Alex Legg fanatics.

I think their infantile behaviour in this matter speaks heaps about themselves. I have blocked more abusive insults on this topic over the first week of this pomopous nonsense than the whole of my time on Facebook. Really weird people. I really don't understand the infantile mindset that doesn't allow people an opinion about art. Grow up and get an education.

Here is the lastest pompous foolish message from Alex Legg posted to my Youtube account a month after my comment on Demi Denton's wall - 08/01 /12


Here's something to think about, if you're capable of thought...

 A Philosopher? - but you're incapable of thought! ...
 An educator? But you're incapable of learning!  ...

*[Alex goes on to quote how wonderful and marvellous he is from Alex Legg fanatics with the following illiterate poorly punctuated comnments ]

.... what a wanker! ....
bullshit sherie  ... a complete wanker----but then again all publicity is good publicity ... he is a jelous (sic) phobe (sic) !!!!...  his crap!!! Oh & his music is crap!!!!! ... Talk about being in the playground.How old is this guy??Sounds like a bit of jelousy (sic) to me,u (sic) cant (sic) help being so good and having a talent .... Have a blinding Crimbo.xxxx  ... let this idiot eat shit.have a nice day. (sic)


Other comments left on Alex Legg's Youtube site by his illiterate fanatics ....


...  He has just experienced digital flaming for the first time. *[ Obviously from Alex Legg and his illiterate fanatics.]   ... Tindall is calculating and quite dedicatedly intent on causing harm. *[Sure, a well known pacifist such as myself is intent on harm because he dares to disagree with foolish pompous claims. What a moronic claim! Stating an opinion about music is not harm. How can this imbecile read minds? ]  ... Mr Tindall does infact (sic) recognise the genius of Alex Legg *[ No, I have repeatedly stated that I don't think Alex Legg is a genius. ] ... hey (sic) he's the psychologist not me *[ This moron doesn't know the difference between a philosopher and a psychologist.] ... a review of his pathetic lyricless ditty "Pompous Claims" (wot (sic) a title, eh?) *[ Yes, WHAT a title! So apt! Yet the real title is "Pompous Claims (OF HOW GREAT THOU ART)". You forgot the part in brackets which references the pompous claims about Alex Legg. ] ...  I'll keep you all posted daily about him. Not too time consuming....*[ I'll keep the world updated on the Alex Legg pompous foolishness via this article which is now appearing on Google everytime you enter in the search "Alex Legg" ;-)] ...  * [Next comment by Alex Legg] ... please stop this silly personal feud! *[ Yes, please do, pompous foolish  Alex. How many different accounts do I have to block of yours with repeated insults to me privately? It's not doing you any favours as I will post your private insults here for all to see how childish you are.] ... *[Fanatic posts continue.] eez mate! what a wanker!  ...  Wow,just (sic) read that ridiculous blog of Mark Tindall's!!! *[ Aw, thanks!  Amazing how many illiterate morons are so upset because I dared to state that Alex Legg is not as great as / equal to "Dylan / Waites / Cohen /Simon / Lennon".] ....


Yes, they sound like real educated people .............. not!  Foolish little kiddies playing silly little childish games with a pompous fool.

My friends have stated:~


- [John Smith (Australian Christian evangelist)] ... Alex is an old friend, but certainly any of us as performers (including myself as a story-teller/proclaimer), must recognize people have a right to analyze our performance, make comparisons etc without it being taken as personal attack. Though I have enjoyed some of his songs I certainly don't think he comes anywhere near Dylan, Cohen, Waites Simon or Lennon ...
- I have never heard of the man in the music world.
- Who is Alex Legg ? I've never heard of him.

- As they say - small things amuse small minds, and small minds think of such stupid things to say.
 ... let the silly gits get what they deserve - which is nothing.

-  He isn't obviously worried about his 'reputation' ............considering I have never heard of the dude. If he was so good wouldn't he be mainstream?
- lol "award winning artist." They're all local Scottish awards.
- Hmmm - legitimate to say that while I may *not* necessarily like Dylan/Waites/Cohen/Simon/Lennon, I've *never even heard* of Legg - so to me, that kind of makes him, erm, not as great as the others...
- Never heard of him.....
- I also plead ignorance of Mr Legg.
- Who the heck is Alex Legg?????
- Never heard of him ................. can't be that famous.......
- OK............. never heard of him.
- Never heard of the guy...Alex Legg.....but if he comes up...he's off my list forever...sounds like a real creep!!

- Boy, sounds ridiculous.
- I always found musical tastes to be subjective, but making big claims is another matter entirely.
- The ones who attempt to "Equal" great people in music or even the arts in general tend to fail to do so because the greats they're trying to emulate are the ones who broke new ground and did not attempt to equal those who came before them, but rather surpassed.


Also many more artists, musicians and friends I have spoken to locally who say the same as the comments above. 

Stay tuned as there are sure to be more illiterate bits of crap posted by Alex Legg and his fanatics.



"Why is there such a disconnect between what is being taught in universities, divinity schools, and seminaries across the country, and what is being taught every Sunday from the pulpit? ... three possible explanations.

The first is that some ministers, though they learned about the conclusions and debates within Biblical scholarship while in college, never really bought into much of it. ...

The second possible explanation is simply that ministers don't want to alarm their congregations by consistently talking about the historical-critical method of Biblical scholarship. Since congregations are made up of lay-people, they might have their faith shaken if they learn that, for instance, we don't actually know who wrote most of the books of the Bible, Church tradition of authorship notwithstanding.

The third possible explanation is that pastors want to keep their jobs. ... if ... , a pastor is constantly barraging his congregation with historical scholarship instead of feel-good sermons reinforcing theirfaith, not only will he start losing members, he might even put his own job in jeopardy."



This is a whopping 69% of Christians' tithes, offerings and love gifts spent on Staff  Wages, Facilities and Administration costs. That leaves a mere 31% for everything else.  Why aren't churches taxed?

The figures for Australia are much harder to get because of their tax free exemption as a "charity". There is no public reporting of income and expenditure.

Need I remind people that churches across the world regularly say that the you are giving "for the Lord's work". Apparently the Lord's work mainly includes paying clergy and staff and upkeep on the building. You'd think the Lord (Jesus Christ Superstar) would have better things to work on such as feeding starving children in third world nations or giving us the cure for cancer. The Lord Jesus works in mysterious ways.



POMPOUS CLAIMS (OF HOW GREAT THOU ART) is my latest song written and recorded in the last couple of days.

Listen or download as a free mp3 at 

Like this song to get free a transcendent aesthetic response, catchy echoic hook and a blistering guitar solo - all in less than 3:03.


CH: Pompous claims

Time to put thy feet on earth
Think we need a little mirth
Heard the talk of how great thou art
You're a genius, oh sure thou art!
Thou so humble as all can see
Who's the fool, oh obviously!
Well, friend, I've got something to tell you


As Carl Sagan stated "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

If you and your friends promote yourself as equal in greatness to "Dylan / Waites / Cohen /Simon / Lennon" then you better have extraordinary evidence to prove that claim. A person is not a "fool" or "pompous" for daring to suggest that you don't meet the standard when you fail to provide extraordinary evidence for this extraordinary claim. As Dusty says "Logic. Use it."

John Lennon stated around the time of "Instant Karma" that he would like to write a song in the morning record it that day and release it that afternoon. I haven't quite matched that greatness (I'm not as great as Lennon) but I got close to the timeline. The song is based on a two threads last week. The one with the pompous claims remained while the one with the criticism of the pompous claims was removed. Don't you just love censorship?



I'd like to bring the first Christ back into Christmas.

The Hebrew word for Messiah is: Mashiaẖ מָשִׁיחַ and means ANOINTED, or Anointed One, and comes from the Hebrew verb Mashah, meaning “to anoint”, or even more generally, to “spread a liquid” – here, in the context of the role and function of Messiah, this liquid is OIL and the purpose of this anointing is to Sanctify/Make Holy/ Set Apart SO...METHING or SOMEONE for a specific purpose in the worship of the Creator God YHWH.

In the book of Genesis Jacob pours oil on top of the rock he used as a pillow in a ceremony of sanctification:

“And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and POURED OIL upon the top of it….”And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that you shall give me I will surely give the tenth unto you.’” [Gen. 28:18, 22]

In Genesis 31:13 God recognizes this Pillar as having been ANOINTED:

“I am the God of Beth-el, where you did ANOINT (Mashachtah) מָשַׁחְתָּ a pillar, where you did vow a vow unto Me.”

So the very first Christ was a rock.

Let's put a stone back into Christmas.

Mark Tindall - "Passion Fruit" (2011)

My complete "Passion Fruit" album can be heard or uploaded for free and in exact order at my Soundclick page. They tell a story and should be listened to in track listed sequence. A year's work in 60 minutes. A wide variety of styles and approaches.
Track listing:
1. Work, Play
2. Question
3. Vision
4. Egypt
5. Take Me To The Promised Land
6. Prelude
7. Why (Made In Japan)
8. He Just Decided To Fly
9. All My Love To You
10. Alchemy (Lead To Gold)
11. Don't Want To Be Like You
12. Awake To he Wonder Of It All
13. Namaste
14. Oh God (More Than Myself)



Homosexuality - A message to Christians regarding love

Why are Christains spending so much time attempting to discriminate against homosexuals when Jesus never stated a single word about it? Loving your neighbour, as Jesus commanded, includes loving your homosexual neighbour. Negating basic human rights for homosexuals is not loving your homosexual neighbour. Why be so concerned with what two people who love each other do in the privacy of their bedroom and not be concerned with what Jesus did state about love?

Think about 1 John 4:20. How can you love your homosexual neighbour if at the same time you have the following dictionary meanings associated with homophobia:
- contempt of
- hatred for
- apprehension of
- prejudice against
- aversion to
- discrimination against

homosexuals / homosexuality?

Utterly impossible! Your love must be shown in your actions for faith without works is dead (James 2:20). Therefore you must clearly demonstrate the antonyms of the above if you truly love your homosexual neighbour:
- admiration, affection, approbation, approval, endorsement, love, regard, respect, sanction
- agreeability, calmness, contentment, enjoyment, good nature, happiness, joy, peace, pleasantness
- assurance, calmness, composure, confidence, peace, quietness, repose, security
- fairness, justice, regard, respect, tolerance
- affection, attachment, care, fondness, kindness, like, liking, love, sympathy
- fairness, tolerance


Australian same sex marriage & homophobic Christians numbers game



"the Australian Christian Lobby and the Australian Family Association presented a petition of 90,000 signatures to right-wing delegates opposed to same-sex marriage."


According to

GetUp and Australian Marriage Equality present a 140,285 signature petition supporting gay marriage. That is another 50% more than the homophobic Christian petition.

Will homophobic Christians allow the majority of citizens to have their way? Probably not. They don't care about democracy and majority public opinion.

This is just another statistic indicating the decline of Christainity in the West. The vast majority of Christians are out of touch with the society in which they live. When Christianity becomes a small minority grouop some time in the future - as will surely happen - will Christians want their basic human rights denied in the same manner that Christians have denied basic human rights for others?

It appears that the church thinks it perfectly moral to marry divorced people in church though Jesus forbad divorce in one gospel. It is also seems perfectly moral for the church to marry a greedy banker who makes a living usury that is forbidden in the bible. (The greedy banker is probably on the church board and never gets criticised for his usury.) It also appears perfectly moral for the church to marry heterosexual couples who have lived together "in sin" for several years. Unfortunately no Christian is advocating slavery today though both Old and New Testraments advocate it. Nor is any Christian lobbying for the right to commit genocide though the book of Joshua advocates it. Christians also opposed the abolition of slavery, equal rights for coloured people and the ordination of women clergy - and used bible verses for their opposition. Christians have a history of denying people their basic human rights. Christians are very selective in which bits of the bible they want to follow. It is dictated by the prejudice they already hold.
According to statistics the majority of Aussies support gay marriage (60%). Homophobic Christians are in the minority (37%). . Jesus never spoke about homosexuality so it can't be an important issue. Christian homophobic fear mongering is far in excess to the percentage of time Jesus spent on the matter. The contemporary church appears to be homophobic and to have forgotten how to love their neighbour which includes homosexual couples. Homophobic Christians are trying to deny two homosexual people made in God's image and in love the basic human right to marry. Homophobic Christian rants on the matter use the same type of arguments that racist Christians used against integration and sexist Christians used to deny women the right to be clergy.

Arguments for same-sex marriage include those which are based upon what is regarded as a universal human rights issue, mental and physical health concerns, equality before the law, and the goal of normalizing LGBT relationships.

Homophobic Christians are discriminating against a group of people and denying their basic human rights based soley on homophobic prejudice regarding their sexuality. The statistics in other countries also plainly show that none of theose countries now have people advocating marrying multiple partners, or animals or anything else negative raised by the homophobic chorus of Christians in Australia.

In Atlanta 1964 Martin Luther King spoke about how few of the white churches supported him in the quest for basic human rights for negroes: "Too much of the white church is timid and ineffectual, and some of it is shrill in its defense of bigotry and prejudice. In most communities the spirit of the stus quo is endorsed by the churches." The same could be said about the church and its homophobic stance against same sex marriage.

It should also be noted that homophobia is turning people off church in Australia.  I quote from

"New research into Christianity in Australia has revealed that religious intolerance to homosexuality is a key reason why people reject the church.Almost 30% of those surveyed by Christian media group Olive Tree Media say the stance of churches on homosexuality blocked them from engaging with Christianity".  Do you Christians want more people in your church? Try getting rid of yopur homophobia.

Homophobic Christians do not have the right to force their minority opinion on the majority of the population. In the future those that have opposed same sex marriage will be looked upon in the same way we now view racists, sexists and slave owners. The only question is when same sex marriage will become law.



How is a sermoan prepared?


1. Choose the Preaching Portion.
2. Read and Study Entire Context of Preaching Portion.
3. Read Repeatedly Through Preaching Portion – Perhaps as Many as a Dozen Times.
4. Outline the Passage.
5. Check Key Words and Phrases in the Original Language.
6. Discover the Theme of the Passage.
7. Consult Commentaries and the Writings of Others.
8. Discover an Angle for the Sermon.
9. Formulate a Proposition.
10. Write the Sermon Outline.
11. Write the Sermon Draft.
12. Choose a Title.
13. Revise, Tighten, and Reword Where Necessary.
14. Get the Final, Printed Copy to the Church Secretary for Distribution to Absentees, Deaf Ministry, Shut-ins, etc.
15. Preach Message. Distribute Tapes and Printed Copies.
16. Repeat This Process, at Least in Part, for the Evening Service. Start Over Again on Monday.

Adapted from


Exactly like a teacher does in every classroom worldwide:
- reflecting on subject matter
- consulting reference material
- consulting curriculum / institution guidelines
- considering age and ability of students
- preparing material
- delivering material
- getting feedback from students via assessments / tests
- evaluating effectiveness of material and delivery for each student
- remediating if necessary
- repeat for every class

Absolutely no different at all and exactly the same process - only a teacher does far more. No clergy sets an assessment or test. No clergy does sermoans every day of the working week.

No sermoan is is complicated. No sermoan is geared above a person of average intelligence. No sermoan goes into great detail. No sermoan is a literary masterpiece. They are also simple monologues geared to Stage 3 or lower in Fowler's Stages of Faith and using language and vocabulary of an average 10 year old.

I offered to write a full year's sermoans for one famous Aussie clergyman and do it in one day - for the cost of his yearly salary. I even told him how it could be done.

You pick out special days and look at bible verses that related to them - Mother's Day, Father's Day, Australia Day, etc. You do a month each on Easter and Christmas. With those five items mentioned you already have 11 different week's material - almost a quarter of the year. You only use the most popular bible verses found at and fill in the rest of the year using those bible verses. You consult sermon outlines to pinch material from such as that from
You make three simple points for each sermoan such as the areas of:
1. Meaning
2. Application
3. Evaulation

Dead easy and simple to do. It is a simple creative writing exercise. I can do a year's sermoans in 24 hours and my offer is still open to any clergy who want to test me. My fee is the clergy's complete yearly salary (including love gifts, fees for speaking engagements as a visiting minister and at seminars and retreats, sale of dvds & books, perks, etc.)
Paying clergy a salary for a 20 plus hour writing of a sermoan is a scam that requires exposing.

For a related article see I quote from that link: "No good sermon should ever take more than 20 or 30 minutes to write. If you’re spending more time than that, you’re doing it wrong and should probably just use the sermon that you heard a guy preach at that conference that one time."


Fundamentalism - A C Grayling

From A C Grayling " Ideas That Matter". My comments in *[ ... ]

Someone who believes in the literal truth of a religious holy text is a fundamentalist of the religion in question.  By extension, people with very strong religious commitments which they believe to be close to the founding intentions of their religion are also described as fundamentalists even if they allow some interpretation of their scriptures. *[ It is thus utterly impossible for me to be a fundamentalist as I hold no commitment to a literal interpretation of any religious text nor any strong religious commitment to the founding intentions of any religion .] ... Fundamentalism's manifestations have taken sometimes horrifying forms ... In every case fundamentalists ... are opposed to democracy, liberal pluralism, free speech, and equal rights for women.  They reject the discoveries of modern science in the fields of physics and biology, and assert the literal and unrevisable truth of their ancient holy writings. *[An example is creationsim / Intelligent Design.] All the major fundamentalisms are determined to take control of the states in which they exist, and to impose their view of things on them. *[This should be a worry to every citizen.] ... what kind of ethics would be imposed by, say, a fundamentalist Christian government in the United States, if such came to pass. *[ I shudder to think! For a start, homosexuals would be persecuted, art banned, science destroyed, history rewritten and Islam banned.  The bible would be the standard for all law including stoning rebellious sons, no work on the Sabbath and rigid blasphemy laws. ] ... a religious morality imposed by enthusiasts would controvert almost every tenet of liberal views about tolerance, openess, personal autonomy, and choice, and would impose instead a harsh and limiting authority on behaviour and opinion, and doubtless even on dress and entertainment. *[In other words, a return to the Dark Age.]



From Rachel Held Evans "Evolving in Monkeytown" (Zondervan: 2010) pp. 32-33


How do you know that Santa is real? Have you
ever seen him?


No, I haven't. But Santa leaves enough evidence of his 
existence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Every year I find presents from him under the tree and little crumbs all over the kitchen table where I left his plate of cookies. I might not see Santa himself, but these things point to him, as bending trees point to the existence of wind.

How come there's a different Santa in every department store?


Those are Santa's helpers, who, with his permission, disguise themselves as Mr. Claus in order to more efficiently compile a list of what the children across the world want for Christmas.


Everyone knows that reindeer can't fly. How does Santa get around?


Yes, it is true that most reindeer cannot fly. However, reindeer empowered by the Holy Spirit can do anything God tells them to do, and those are the kind of reindeer Santa owns. For a prototype, read the story of Balaam's donkey in the book of Numbers.

How can one person make it to every rooftop in the world in just one night?

Who says Santa is a person? Although Saint Nick is not mentioned by name, the Bible clearly points to the existence of supernatural angelic beings whose primary directive is to protect, inform, and bless humans. If Santa is an angel on a mission from God to reward the good children of the world, he's likely to boast supernatural strength and speed.

What about those kids who say they saw their parents sneaking presents under the tree on Christmas Eve?

Unfortunately, these kids may be telling the truth.  You see, the scope of Santa's power in our lives is ultimately dependent upon our willingness to accept it. Parents who choose not to believe in Santa forfeit the blessing of his visits forever, and so they must rely on their own methods for supplying kids with presents at Christmas.

Why do bad kids still get presents?
Me: Why, grace, of course.


Why people are leaving church

Why does no church ask why you have left church? Christians seem to make up their own reasons why people leave church but never ask the people who have left what the real reasons are. It's as if Christians intentionally do not want to know because they may have to change.


"Although many Australians identify themselves as religious, the majority consider religion the least important aspect of their lives when compared with family, partners, work and career, leisure time and politics. This is reflected in Australia's church attendance rates, which are among the lowest in the world and in continuing decline."


"Our survey found that about a quarter of people leaving the Church expressed a change in beliefs or simply lost interest in religion. Of that group of people, 62% stated that they had stopped believing in organized religion altogether."



No one knows the reason for the overall attendance drop, but three possible explanations are:

Worshipers attend less frequently. ...

Aging constituencies. Mainline churches have a disproportionate number of mem­bers age 65 and older. ....

The other side of this dilemma is the failure of churches to reach younger persons. .....

Lack of interest in religion. Adding to the challenge of reaching younger people is the fact that the age group in which self-identified adherents of "no religion" are found most is 25-34. Additional indicators of decreasing interest in church life are found in the General Social Survey 2008: fewer people report going to church "several times a year" and more people report going "once a year." Fewer report going "less than once a year" while many more report going "never." In fact, the attendance category that has grown the most since 1990 is "never."



.. In the past when life had fewer distractions people measured Church attendance on a weekly basis, but today regular Churchgoing is often measured as those that go at least once a month. ... through the negative experience of Church, nearly all of these de-churched people are closed to invites to Church. ... So far nothing the Church leaders have done seems to have brought about any change in the decline that started in the 50's. ... The decline for attendance forecasts a 55% fall from the 1980 level by 2020. ... even amongst the membership the Church in general struggles to attract people to services. The rate of decline in buildings is significantly less than that for membership, suggesting that congregations are on average getting much smaller with many more nearing the point when they will cease to be financially viable. ... the Church in the UK is one that fails to attract four people groups:
3.young people
4.the poor ....

from from

Critique of Richard Rohr and his "cosmic Christ"

A critique of  - Fr. Richard Rohr - Cosmic Christ.

Richard Rohr reinvents of the historical Jesus of Nazareth as the mythical Christ of faith and calls him the "cosmic Christ". It is merely Marcus Borg's post-Easter Jesus.

Pre-Easter Jesus  / Post-Easter Jesus
4 B.C.E. to 30 C.E. / 30 C.E. to present
Corporeal, human being of flesh and blood / Spiritual non-material reality
Finite and mortal  / Infinite, eternal
Human / Divine
A Jewish peasant / King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Figure of the past / Figure of the present
Jesus of Nazareth / Jesus Christ
Monotheistic Jew / Becomes the second person of the trinity, "God with a human face"
Galilean Jew of the first century / "The Face of God" (metaphor based on 2 Cor. 4:6 Beholding the glory of God in the face of Christ)

It is mythical and not historical. It is based in mysticism (4:45 ff) and not rationality. He confuses Jesus with God. There is no "cosmic Christ"in reality. A Christ is one anointed BY God and therefore can never be God Himself and certainly a messiah / christ is never infinite.

One does not require Jesus for the concepts that he is talking about. Substitute his "cosmic Christ" with Thor, Woden, Zeus or any other god or being and it works just as well.

Rohr borrows much from other Christian mystics like Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (19:20 ff) and primarily from "The Phenomenon of Man". See I don't find Rohr saying anything new or startling that differs from such past Christian mystics. His "dualistic mind" (22:28) and thinking "both / and" about Jesus and the mythical Christ of faith confuses the two completely different entities and is both irrational and illogical. Rohr wants you to believe the two are exactly the same but they are vastly different as Marcus Borg explains. His "contemplative mind (23:30) merges everything as one and leaves no room for discernment of very important differences. God gave you a mind to use and that means using discernment, logic and reason. 

Further problems with the notion that the finite human Jesus is somehow the infinite One God

Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant who follow Judaism and only went to the Jews with his gospel. At the last supper Jesus would have sang Psalm 118, the usual final hymn of the Passover hallel ....

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PSALM 118 (New Jerusalem Version) *[ my comment]

1.Alleluia! Give thanks to YAHWEH *[ not the human Jesus] for he is good, for his faithful love endures for ever. ... 8.It is better to take refuge in Yahweh than to rely on HUMAN BEINGS* [including the human Jesus] ... 14.YAHWEH is my strength and my song, he has been my SAVIOUR *[not the human Jesus]. ... 21. I thank you *[YAHWEH] for hearing me, and making yourself MY SAVIOUR *[ not the human Jesus]. ... 27. YAHWEH is God *[not the human Jesus] , he gives us light. ... 28.You *[YAHWEH] are MY GOD *[ not the human Jesus], I thank you, all praise to you, MY GOD *[ not the human Jesus. I thank you for hearing me, and making yourself my SAVIOUR *[ not the human Jesus] ...


How can you definitively know WHO is the One God Yahweh? Easy! It's in the bible that Christians think is the "Word of God".

"I the LORD (YAHWEH) am your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage: You shall have NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME (YAHWEH)." - Exodus 20:1-6 (JPS Tanakh)

"I the LORD (YAHWEH) am your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage: You shall have NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME (YAHWEH)." - Deuteronomy 5:6-7 (JPS Tanakh)

The historic time / space Jesus of Nazareth did NOT bring the people of Israel "out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage". THEREFORE Jesus is NOT the infinite One God Yahweh and "You will have no gods other than me (the infinite One God Yahweh)".

Yahweh is ONE God (and not three) according to the Jewish Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4) literally 


Hear, O Israel! "YAHWEH is our God! YAHWEH is ONE!"


The very very title Messiah / Christ speaks against the concept of a human god as the title means one anointed / equipped BY God for a task that God has sent him to do. God has absolutley no reason to anoint / equip himself. he already has the necessary tools. God is not sent by anyone but rather sends others. God commands the human Messiah / Christ and has no need to be commanded by anyone else. The Messiah / Christ is lorded over by another Lord but God has no Lord above him.

God becoming human would utterly diminsh God. The Creator is always diminished by being a creation. The infinite is utterly destroyed and annihilated by becoming finite.

The concept of a human God came to Christianity via Greek mythology. There were all finite gods. Yahweh is infinite. Jesus as God is only possible by having a diminished view of God. The problem with Jesus being God is an insufficient limited view of God.

For example, Jesus is depicted by Christianity as currently being seated at the right hand of God. If one believes the trinity then one has God the Father seated on a throne flanked by Jesus on his right side and the holy spirit on his left side. This is a very nice image if all the three are finite beings. It is an image stolen from Greek mythology. That is the image you are working with when you speak of God being projected into our 3 dimensions. It assumes that God is a limited thing - a being.

God is infinite and unlimited and therefore the image is totally incorrect. God is in reality on the middle throne, within his throne, on Jesus' throne and that of the holy spirit, within both Jesus and the holy spirit (how can one have God within God?), within all of heaven and within all of the universe and within all of any mulitiverses. There is not a throne on which all of God is literally seated.

This infinite God is partly within Jesus (as the infinite God is with all things) but Jesus is not fully within all of God or equal to the inifinte God as Jesus is most definitely limited and finite. There is nowhere where an infinite God is not. There are definite places where Jesus is not. Jesus has to return in order to fulfil all the messianic prophecies. The infinite God has never left and has no need to return to that which he never left.

The human seated at the right hand of God is in a position of privilege. The human has the favour of God. God does not need to show favour to himself. The God seated at the left hand of the human messiah is in a position of authority over the human messiah. The messiah does not have position of authority over God but is chosen, equipped, commanded by and sent by God. The human messiah does not choose, equip, command or send God.

The other huge problem is that Christianity is not true monotheism. It is a tri-theism that is usually practised as a bi-theism. Though claiming that the Father (Yahweh), Jesus and the holy spirit are all one God in fact Christians usually only worship Jesus as God with a mention of God the Father (Yahweh) sometimes and an almost total ignoring of the holy spirit. Quite a strange response if Jesus was mentioning a trinity in his greatest commandment. It is also strange that Jews never worshipped the holy sopirit in the Old Testament and never named the holy spirit as a part of a two or three personed God. Instead Jews see the holy spirit as the shekinah glory of Yahweh (the felt presence of Yahweh - an attribute and not a person). Muslims believe the holy spirit is the angel Gabriel and not God at all - a messenger sent by God.

Christians prefer Jesus as God because it is an easy concept to understand much as in the same way the Greek gods had human traits and characteristics. What is utterly difficult to comprehend is the notion of an infinite God who is spirit - the Jewish and Islamic view. Such a God cannot be imited in any manner and certainly cannot be contained or confined fully within a finite human.


CHRISTOPHOBE - a new insult used by Fundamentalist Christians


An insult used by Christian fundamentalist extremists against anyone who disagrees with their twisted, hateful interpretation of scripture, and the homophobia, sexism and racism that it implies. Part of a greater sentiment among Christians that they are persecuted, despite the fact that Christianity is the most powerful and publicly accepted religion in this country, most government officials are Christian, including the President, as well as most notable figures in the media. Some fundamentalist Christians want a world in which public schoolchildren are forced to pray to Jesus Christ, homosexuals are actively persecuted, non-Christians are second class citizens and women with unwanted pregnancies end up bleeding to death from self-administered abortions. Anyone opposed to this twisted fantasy of what would in actuallity be a hellish and depressing future is labeled a "Christiophobe."

Fundie: "Stop gay marriage! Homosexuality is evil! Homosexuals are EEEVIL!!!"

Non-fundie: "That sounds, oh, I don't know, kind of hateful and mean, don't you think?"

Fundie: "Christophobe!! You are going to hell!"


The beginning of Christianity in Australia

Adapted from Roger C Thompson "Religion in Australia: A history" (Oxford Univeristy Press: 1994) pp 1- 11.

- Laws in England enforcing compulsory attendance at Anglican Church services repealed. Many, especially working class people, stop attending church.

- 1788 - Lieutenant-Govenor Arthur Phillip ordered to 'enforce a due observance of religion and good order among the inhabitants of the new settlement, and that you do take such steps for the celebration of publick worship as circumstances will permit'

- First chaplain to Australia, Rev Richard Johnson, influenced by Anglican Evangelicals. Also appointed as magistrate. His main goal was converting the white and native inghabitants to Christianity. He had little success. Johnson and other following clergy had less success with Aboriginals than with whites. None had any respect for Aboriginal culture or religion.

- Rev Samuel Marsden appointed to assist Johnson and then becomes successor. Hands out savage flogging sentences. Marsden opposed the appontment of any Roman Catholic clergy to the colony. Appointment of Anglican clergymen as magistrates continued until 1827.

- Governor Macquarie orders compulsory church attendance for convicts in government service and enforces laws prohibiting publicans to trade during hours of worship. He prohibited Marsden's move to introduce a new version of the psalms and ordered government notices be read in worship services.

- 1821 - Govenor Thomas Brisbane (and his successor Ralph Darling) gave the Anglican church land grants, clergy salaries and support for their schools. Government supported Anglican schools provided the majority of education.

- 1825 - London Missionary Society's Lancelot Threkold began a mission to Aboriginals of the Awabakal people of Lake Macquarie and documents "a war of expiration" against Aboriginal people to which most of his fellow clergy had closed their eyes. Marsden opposed the mission and influenced the London Missionary Society to withdraw its support.

- 1830 - First Anglican Bishop in Australia, Willian Broughton, told Govenor Darling that there were church seats for less than half of Sydney's Protestant population, and many of those were empty at Sunday worship services. In particular, working class people showed 'little disposition to attend'. Frequent comments were made by clergy that Sundays were treated by colonists as a day for entertainment or idleness rather than church attendance.

- 1836 - NSW Church Act providing for financial assistance for ministerial salaries and building subsidies of the four main denominations though Anglicans receive the greatest share.

- 1840 - Broughton seeks the banning of sporting events and the sale of meat on Sundays (not passed as law).

- Drunkeness was one of the clergy's greatest complaints.


Molly Morgan - Founder of Maitland, NSW, Australia

My newest song is about Molly Morgan.  Listen to it or download it as a free mp3 at

Molly Morgan is the founder of Maitland, NSW, Australia. When you first come to Maitland you are instantly told about the boxer Les Darcy and the Maitland flood of 1955. Molly Morgan is completely ignored. As far as I can tell this is the first song in the world about Molly Morgan. There is also a scarcity of information about her on the net. The three sites I have found are:

I wrote this song after reading an article in the Maitland Mercury about Les Darcy. I also asked the Editor of the Maitland Mercury what she thought the essential aspect of Maitland was after she commented at Morpeth Men's Shed that the newspaper should reflect the community. All we ever hear about is Les Darcy and the 1955 flood. Molly Morgan is much more interesting.

She was born Mary, the daughter of a ratcatcher and labourer in the village of Diddlesbury, Shropshire , England. At 16 she was sent to work as a nursemaid for a local farmer, and some time later bore a child out of wedlock, rumoured to be his. The girl was named Mary, like her mother.

William Morgan, an apprentice wheelwright met Molly Jones and they married on June 25th, 1785, with Molly bringing her daughter Mary to live with them. A son, James, was born in the next year.

In 1790 she was caught stealing hemp from a linen factory. Both Molly and William were arrested. William escaped, leaving his wife to bear the brunt of the charge and Molly was found guilty and sentenced to death. She lobbied for transportation, and was granted a term of 14 years in one of the British colonies. Molly was boarded onto the 'Neptune', part of the notorious Second Fleet, departing England in January 1790.

Only five years into her sentence, she became friends with a Captain Locke from the ship Resolution and managed to get a free passage back to England . So well did she endear herself to the captain, he supplemented a luxurious return journey with a wedding proposal.

She arrived back in London safely, collected her children and eventually entered into marriage with Thomas Mare, a wealthy brassfounder from Plymouth. (as William Morgan had finally been caught and transported to Australia himself). However Mare later accused Molly of burning down their house after a domestic squabble where Molly said that he was disrespectful, then she was accused again of stealing in 1803 and sentenced to 7 years transportation.

Molly became friendly with an army captain who acquired for her some land and a few head of cattle. Molly proved herself to be a more than capable farmer as her herd multiplied in size at rate never seen before. It was then discovered that Molly's ingenious farming practice was to brand Government cattle as her own.

This time Molly's charms were of no use and she was sent to sent to the Newcastle Penal Colony, a place reserved for the most wicked of Convicts.

The Convict labourers assigned to her proved themselves to be particularly productive workers. It seems Molly's management technique was to supply them with liquor as a bonus for hard work.

Molly set up residence with an Officer of the Settlement she and negotiated her ticket of leave (parole); was part of a select group settled at Wallis' Plains; was promised a grant of 159 acres by Governor Macquarie; and later had this honoured in 1825. Today this land forms most of Maitland's CBD - the region's largest city.

At age 61, she married for the third time to Joseph Hunt - aged 31.

She also received what is believed to be the first liquor licence in NSW, which she and Joe opened up their famed watering hole, Maitland’s 'Angel Inn' near the site of modern Maitland's New Vine church, High Street. She rapidly evolved the asset into chain of taverns along the river ports and bullock tracks of the Hunter Valley .

In 1827 'The Australian' published a letter praising Molly Hunt (formerly Molly Morgan) for her drive and donations towards the building of the school and church, visiting the sick, running her own home-made hospital, aiding settlers upon their arrival, helping in times of flood and taking a special interest in the welfare of convicts.

She died aged 73 in 1835 and is often referred to as "Queen of the Hunter Valley".

*[Compiled from various sources named above]


Tripartite nonsense and the lack of a functioning Christian mind

From Strong's Concordance at


SPIRIT pneuma ..... the RATIONAL spirit, the power by which the human being FEELS. THINKS .... SOUL

SOUL PYSCHE (The SAME term psychologists use for the mind) ... SOUL ...DIFFERS FROM THE BODY and is NOT DISSOLVED BY DEATH




ruwach - ... MIND ... SPIRIT ...

ruwach (Aramaic) - MIND, SPIRIT


nshamah - INTELLECT .... SOUL, SPIRIT.

nephesh - MIND ... SOUL


The BIBLICAL user of SPIRIT / SOUL (GREEK & HEBREW) means (from above)


SO ..................



Although the concept of mind is understood in many different ways most agree that minds are constituted by conscious experience and intelligent thought. Common attributes of mind include perception, reason, imagination, memory, emotion, attention, free-will and a capacity for communication.

Many Christians think the mind is carnal, evil, of the flesh and should not be used at all. It definitely shows. Christianity is in a rapid decline due to this continuous dumbing down. Such Christians often quote Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding." If you don't go by your own understand then whose understanding do you live by? They live the by man-made dogmatic understanding of the man-made bible and how that is subjectively translated in their particular church denomination. You let someone else do your thinking for you as your brain hurts every time it attempts to think. Some Christians erroneously call this brainwashing and abrogating of self management "having the mind of Christ".

What do such Christians use rather than their God-given mind? They use a tiny little bit of the right-brain called intuition and think that is the voice of God and / or their spirit talking to them. It isn't. It is merely a part of self-talk. In the majority of people the mind is used for decision making and problem solving. Such Christians have no need for use of their minds in such activities. They have a bible that they call "God's word" which is "life's instruction manual written by God". You just pick a bible verse that you happen to like and follow it. No use of the mind required. There are so many contradictory bible verses that it is easy to do.

If this man-made bible is "God's word" then God must be senile as he contradicts himself so often in it. He also gets much historic fact completely wrong and doesn't know much about science. It is no wonder that zombies are all the rage in popular culture at the moment. They are obviously based on many church attenders who have no minds of their own. A sort of living dead crying out to eat the blood and flesh of Jesus in the form of a miniscule dry cracker and a thimble of grape juice. As they don't use their minds they cannot tell the difference between this and real flesh and blood or, for that matter, real bread and alcoholic wine.

Being a mindless Christian does have its advantages. You can live as a happy idiot never having to think about anything for the rest of your life. Blissful ignorance.


My Top 25 Books That Every Christian Should Read

Julia L. Roller edited the book "25 Books every Christian Should read". I have read most of those books and didn't think that they were that good.  The only books remotely interesting were :
5. The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri
18. The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
20. The Poetry of Gerard Manley Hopkins

My list of the Top 25 Books Every Christian Should Read (For some of my favourite authors I have only suggested a main book.):
- Amy Jill Levine "The Misunderstood Jew: The Church and the scandal of the Jewish Jesus"
- Anthony Venn-Brown "A Life Of Unlearning"
- Bart Ehrman "Forged"
- Dante Alighieri "The Divine Comedy"
- David J Garrow "Bearing The Cross: Martin Luther King Jr and the Southern-Christian Leadership Conference"
- Dietrich Bonhoeffer "Letters and Papers From Prison"
- Don Cupitt "The Sea Of Faith"
- Elaine Pagels "The Origin Of Satan"
- Frank Schaeffer "Crazy For God"
- Funk, Hoover & The Jesus Seminar "The Five Gospels"
- Fyodor Dostoevsky "The Brothers Karamazov"
- George M Lamsa "Idioms in the Bible Explained & A Key To The Original Gospels"
- James W Fowler "Stages Of Faith"
- Jewish Publication Society "Tanahk"
- John A T Robinson "Honest To God"
- John Dominic Crossan "The Historical Jesus: The life of a Mediterranean peasant"(Alternatively the short version of this book "Jesus: A revolutionary biography")
- John Shelby Spong "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism"
- Karen Armstrong "A History Of God"
- Leo Tolstoy "A Confession & Other Religious Writings"
- Louis Ginzberg "The Legends of the Jews"
- Paul Tillich "The Shaking of the Foundations"
- Paul Tournier "The Person Reborn"
- Peter Cameron "Heretic"
- Robert Crumb "Book of Genesis"
- Soren Kierkegaard "Fear And Trembling"

Turning Advance Australia Fair Into Jesus Jingle

Christian schools re-write Australian national anthem

by: Laura Speranza from:The Sunday Telegraph October 02, 201112:00AM

THOUSANDS of schoolchildren are being forced to sing an alternative version of the Australian national anthem that installs "Christ" as the country's head of state and removes any reference to the Southern Cross.   

In a move that outraged parents' groups have labelled "disrespectful", some 50 Christian schools of mixed denominations have replaced the second verse of Advance Australia Fair with the lyrics, which begin, "With Christ our head and cornerstone, we'll build our nation's might", for school assembly renditions.

The contentious version was penned 23 years ago by Sri Lankan immigrant Ruth Ponniah, 75, who now lives in Sydney, as part of her local church's bicentennial celebrations and is now sung in schools including the Penrith Christian School, St George Christian School, Westmead Christian Grammar School and Bethel Christian School in Mt Druitt.

Federal Education Minister Peter Garrett has admonished the unauthorised words, saying that under national protocols the anthem should not be modified and that the alternative verse had no place in the state's educational institutions - regardless of their religious affiliations.

"Alternative words should not be used and schools should be teaching students to sing the two authorised verses," he said.

But the Australian Parents Council, representing the parents of independent school students, wants Mr Garrett to go further and ban Ms Ponniah's lyrics.

"If you're singing the national anthem, it should be the national anthem you are singing," said executive director Ian Dalton.

"There are many opportunities to express pride in your faith, but the national anthem is not one of them. It shouldn't be tampered with."

Federation of Parents and Citizens' Association of NSW president Helen Walton backed the APC push, saying it was "disrespectful" of schools to endorse a different version of the anthem.

"The national anthem is the national anthem of all Australians regardless of religion," she said. ...



As one who has worked in Christian schooling I think that this has to be one of the most stupidest actions Christian Schools have ever taken (besides banning and censoring art works).

The lyrics of the invented verse in this Jesus Jingle elavator muzak include:

" With Christ our head and cornerstone
We'll build our nation's might
Whose way and truth and life alone
Can guide can guide our path aright
Our lives a sacrifice of love
Reflect our master's gift
With faces turned to heaven above
Advance Australia Fair
In joyful strands then let us sing
Advance Australia fair"

The lyrics tell lies. Australia does not have Jesus as its foundation. We began as penal colony. Jesus is not the only person who can guide Australia properly - he's also dead. There is a masochistic element of blood, gore and guts sacrifice mentioned that they wish to brainwash children into. Heaven is not above in the blue sky somewhere. Jesus said that the kingdom of God was within you.

Do Christians have no ethics? Would Christians like Muslims changing the Australian National Anthem to include verses about Mohammed and Al-Lah? Of course not! they wouldn't tolerate it.

Would Christians like someone to change their hymns and insert Satan instead of Jesus? Maybe people should be singing this in protest

Satan loves me, this I know
For the Christians tell me so
Fame and wealth to him belong
Fuck the weekend and be strong

Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
The Christians tell me so

Do it if it hurts no one
Don't hold back, have lots of fun
Don't waste time of God's great plan
Favor yourself all you can

Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
The Christians tell me so

Don't lie to yourself all day
Wisdom is great Satan's way
Love those who deserve your love
And to ingrates, give the shove

Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
The Christians tell me so

If someone has done you wrong
Get revenge and you'll be strong
Honor those who keep their deals
Those who don't just want free meals

Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
The Christians tell me so

No man is an animal
He's in fact above them all
Things the Christians call our sins
Lead us to all of our wins

Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
The Christians tell me so

Satan has been the best friend
Of the church from start to end
With his help it has for years
Ruled our lives with guilt and fears

Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
Yeah, Satan loves me
The Christians tell me so