My latest song "John Butler Train" - a song about Phil Ochs. Listen or download as free mp3 at https://soundcloud.com/mark-tindall-1/john-butler-train

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Follow me now, follow me close,
Follow my every step
My name is John Butler Train
(Don’t think that we have met)
Don’t you ever forget


Bipolar light and bottled mind
Smoking on the stage
Words woven deep in political threads
Wisdom of the sage

Hammer, knife or plain lead pipe
Or demon drink my friend
Farewell Dylan, Lennon and Co.
Going round the bend

Homeless street, without a cent
Tom, Sanders, manage me
Ochs is dead, I murdered him
Who wants to murder me

Look ahead , now look around
Play the song, sing out loud
While I live and die


Phi Ochs , where have you gone? John Butler Train

My name is John Butler Train


The Ground Of All Being & John Shelby Spong

The Ground of being deserves investigation.

It posits that God is the basis for the existence of all things but is not an existent thing Himself (Herself / Itself).  God is not A being (one among many beings) but that which makes all being possible.

What can be safely said about this non-existent Ground of all being?
- It does not exist in time or space
- It produced the singularity that led to the Big Bang

The historic existent Jesus of Nazareth cannot ever be this Ground of all being.

Does the polytheistic man-god Jesus exist?

If so then he cannot be the nonexistent Ground of all being.

Is the polytheistic man-god Jesus the non-existent Ground of all being?

Then the polytheistic man-god Jesus does not exist.

 It can only be one or the other.

The historical Jesus of Nzareth is a product of the Big Bang and existed in time and space in first century Palestine. There is no Jesus who exists outside of time and space who created everything, who is the "logos" who existed from before time, who created all things and holds all things together. That is the mythical pretend Christ of faith invented in subjective man-made Christian dogma who is on the same level as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.


From John Shelby Spong "A New Christianity For A New World" (HarperCollins: 2001)

The God of theism is so visibly dying that only by playing a game of denial and illusion - a game many play - can we contnue to maintain that this God is still real. That is the nature of the religious dilemma of our generation. p. 23

Theism, a definition of God that was born in the dawning of self-consciousness as a way of coping with the awareness of human vulnerability and human meninglessness, is today dying ... fundamentalist churches that traffic in a security they cannot possibly deliver. p. 33

.. when they jettisoned theism, they were jettisoning the primary image of the biblical God, which means that they were also jettisoning all aspects of biblioatry, including the perception of the Bible as our source of theistic revelation. p. 67

...definition of a non-theistic God ... God is being - the reality underlying everything that is. ... This God is not a supernatural entity who rides into time and space to rescue the distressed. This God is the Source of life, the Source of life, the Ground of Being. ... the God beyond theism - the God Tillich described as the God beyond the gods of men and women ... pp. 72-73

This God is not identified with doctrines, creeds, and traditions. .. Thids God can never be captured in words or made to serve our power-needs. This god is beyond everything. This God is unavoidable, inescapable, omnipresent. p. 74

If God is the Ground of Being, then my being is a part of this inescapable divine reality. p. 75

.. a post-theistic God, the God who is not a person but the source of that power that nurtures personhood, not a being but the Ground of Being, the source from which all being flows. ... The central issue is that: "God is not a person. God is not a being. God is Being itself." ... If God is not a being, supernatuiral in power, then Jesus cannot be the incarnation of that being. p. 240

If God is not a being, then no human hierarchy can claim to be the chosen receptor for this being's revelation, the guardian of this being's truth, or the dispenser of this being's grace. In that assertion all ecclesiastical power-claims disappear, feeding religious insecurity. p. 241


Larry Norman's "Baroquen Spirits" and my deconversion from Christianity

Larry Norman's "So Long Ago The Garden" cover with the original nude photo that showed his rude bits. His former wife Pamela states that she took the photograph and he was definitely in the nude.  The rude bits were not added by MGM as Larry later stated.

His song "Baroquen Spirits" off this album speaks to me of my deconversion from Christianity and helped me through many a lonely dark time.  Listen to it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Khotkzz3M&feature=player_embedded

My comments on this song in *[...]


Waiting around since last night sitting in your garden chair

*[ In the garden like Van Morrison states in the song of the same name "Just you, me, the Father, the son and the holy ghost in the garden wet with rain".]

When you decide to come home I suppose I'll still be there

*[ I was always waiting for church to catch up to where I was. I always felt it was retarded in development. Empty promises of "deeper teaching" that never eventuated. My uni studies in philosophy helped me far more than any theology.]

Everything comes to the man waits for everything to come
But what can he do when the thing he wants the most he's farthest from

*[I was groomed to want acceptance by other Christians and the pastor.]

Yes I guess I see your point
Patience growing thin
How can you respect a man who needs you more than you need him

Baroquen spirits do you love me
Baroquen spirits I can't say
Baroquen spirits do you love me
Baroquen spirits I can't say

*[ Other Christians were always in a love / hate relationship with me. I was a trouble maker.]

Give me your love or let go but don't play with my affairs

*[ Other Christians were constantly interferring with my life.]

Kiss me goodbye or hello but don't take lightly what we share

* [ I was always treated as a spiritual inferior - the "lowest of the spiritual low" - for daring to question.]

What will I do if you tell me that you love me not at all
I'll charter a ship to the edge of the world and sail off

* [One at first wonders what is possible if Christianity is wrong. Then one's eyes are opened to the trillions of possibilities one never thought of as a Christian. Life is so much richer in every possible way.]


"DON'T WANT TO BE AN ELVIS / BEATLE" - Mark Tindall (2012)

My latest song "Don't Want To Be An Elvis / Beatle" (copyright Mark Tindall 2012) which may be listened to or downloaded as a free mp3 at http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11751301

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Don’t want to be an Elvis
Don’t want to be a Beatle
Don’t want to be remembered
By a bunch of fickle people


Been on stage and under the light
Been in the wings and in the fight
Been on the road down the garden path
To the Tower of Babel on the day of wrath

Been upstaged and brought down low
Met the boss and the star of the show
First fame’s there and then it’s gone
You’re only remembered for your Number One


I am I am I am me
That’s all that I’m supposed to be

A bloody mess and a looking glass
Counting sounds in an hour glass
Lord, you know, you know it’s true
You gotta be, you gotta be you gotta be you

Coda: I am me


"A WORK IN PROGRESS" - Mark Tindall (2012)

My latest song "A Work In Progress" (copyright Mark Tindall 2012) which may be listened to or downloaded as a free mp3 at http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11743094

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This is my time on earth
Growing since human birth
I’m all made of dirt
Shaped by love and hurt
Age made me who I am
No alternative plan

CH: I’m a work in progress
As if you hadn’t noticed

Music of mindful breath
Breathed from birth to death
Every wrinkle tells a story
Aiming for life and glory
Heat of passion fires my soul
Keeps me sane and makes me whole

Love running through my veins
Beneath the droll mundane
Visions dreamed in my sleep
Spirit diving in the deep
Walking through shadows and stones
Never feeling quite alone

Thousands of fires above
Millions of gifts in love
Star-eyed stranger amazed
Beauty abounds in gaze
The sun shines after the rain
There’s laughter after the pain