This is the most-people-believe-what’s-false-therefore-it’s-false fallacy, or the Coyne fallacy, named after its most frequent user, Jerry Coyne. This fallacy is used to reject a proposition because most people misunderstand or hold false beliefs about that proposition. So that if the average church or temple goer has a definition of God that suffers certain inconsistencies, therefore God doesn’t exist. If you accept that then you’d have to believe that since the average citizen has mistaken ideas about evolution (holding to Intelligent Design, say), therefore evolution is false. Truth is not a vote.
FROM http://wmbriggs.com/post/11494/
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Jerry Coyne laughs and tries to dismiss it but he has a very poor understanding of philosophy. He engages in "foolosophy" (love of foolishness) rather than philosophy (love of wisdom).
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FROM philosopher Edwad Fesser.
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/the-pointlessness-of-jerry-coyne.html
People have asked me to comment on the recent spat between Jerry Coyne and Ross Douthat. As longtime readers of this blog know from bitter experience, there’s little point in engaging with Coyne on matters of philosophy and theology. He is neither remotely well-informed, nor fair-minded, nor able to make basic distinctions or otherwise to reason with precision. Nor, when such foibles are pointed out to him, does he show much interest in improving. ...
Naturally, his incompetence is coupled with a preposterous degree of compensatory self-confidence. As I once pointed out about Dawkins, Coyne may by now have put himself in a position that makes it psychologically impossible for him even to perceive serious criticism. The problem is that his errors are neither minor, nor occasional, nor committed in the shadows, nor expressed meekly. He commits a howler every time he opens his mouth, and he opens it very frequently, very publicly, and very loudly. His blunders are of a piece, so that to confess one would be to confess half a decade’s worth -- to acknowledge what everyone outside his combox already knows, viz. that he is exactly the kind of bigot he claims to despise. That is a level of humiliation few human beings can bear. Hence the defense mechanism of training oneself to see only ignorance and irrationality even in the most learned and sober of one’s opponents; indeed, to see it even before one sees those opponents. And so we have the spectacle of Coyne’s article last week on David Bentley Hart’s The Experience of God, wherein he launches a 2800 word attack on a book he admits he has not read. The sequel of self-delusion, it seems, is self-parody.
Still, it is worthwhile responding now and again to people like Coyne, so that bystanders who wouldn’t otherwise know any better can see just how pathetic are the “arguments” of New Atheists. ...
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FROM philosopher Bill Vallicella.
http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2012/11/the-abysmally-ignorant-jerry-coyne.html
The Abysmally Ignorant Jerry Coyne
Jerry Coyne complains:
Another problem is that scientists like me are intimidated by philosophical jargon, and hence didn’t interrupt the monologues to ask for clarification for fear of looking stupid. I therefore spent a fair amount of time Googling stuff like “epistemology” and “ontology” (I can never get those terms straight since I rarely use them).
This is an amazing confession. It shows that the man is abysmally ignorant outside his specialty. He is not wondering about the distinction between de dicto and de re, but about a Philosophy 101 distinction. It would be as if a philosopher couldn't distinguish between velocity and acceleration, or mass and weight, or a scalar and a vector, or thought that a light-year was a measure of time.
Despite his ignorance of the simplest distinctions, Coyne is not bashful about spouting off on topics he knows nothing about such as free will. Lawrence Krauss is another of this scientistic crew. And Dawkins. And Hawking and Mlodinow. And . . . . Their arrogance stands in inverse relation to their ignorance. A whole generation of culturally-backward and half-educated scientists does not bode well for the future.
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FROM philosopher Massimo Pigliucci.
http://rationallyspeaking.blogspot.com.au/2010/08/jerry-coyne-then-and-now.html
But when it comes to writing for the general public, I suggest that scientists stick to what they know best, unless they are willing to engage the literature of the field(s) that they wish to comment upon. When Coyne makes statements of the type “anybody doing any kind of science should abandon his or her faith if they wish to become a philosophically consistent scientist”, he literally does not know what he is talking about because he does not have a grasp of what it means to be “philosophically consistent” in this context. He has of course no obligation to study philosophy, but then he should refrain from writing about it as a matter of intellectual honesty toward his readers.
Sunday
Friday
DANIEL DENNETT ON HOW TO COMPOSE A SUCCESSFUL CRITICAL COMMENTARY
FROM Daniel Dennett "Intuition Pumps and Other Tools for Thinking" (W. Norton & Co: 2014) p.25
... a list of rules promulgated many years ago by the social psychologist and game theorist Anatol Rapoport [Rapoport’s Rules ] ...
How to compose a successful critical commentary:
1 - You should attempt to re-express your target’s position so clearly, vividly, and fairly that your target says, “Thanks, I wish I’d thought of putting it that way.
2 - You should list any points of agreement (especially if they are not matters of general or widespread agreement).
3 - You should mention anything you have learned from your target.
4 - Only then are you permitted to say so much as a word of rebuttal or criticism.
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Multiple Problems With Atheism,
Philosophy
Sunday
LOGIC IS THE DOMAIN OF PHILOSOPHY NOT SCIENCE OR ATHEISM
Logic is firmly within the domain of Philosophy. Logical thinking is not automatic for atheists (who like to call themselves "critical thinkers" or "Brights") nor does logic originate in the domain of science.
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Thursday
George Hrab gets skepticism wrong
How many different ways can one get a simple philosophical concept wrong? George Hrab ( from the Geologic Podcast) shows us while speaking outside his area of expertise which is music. He has a Bachelor of Music from Moravian College (1993). He has no qualification in philosophy which is the topic of this TED talk found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orSjZaeyISI
Where George Hrab is wrong and at what stage in the lecture:
1. 0.13 "Skepticism. Why? Why not?"
He is only speaking of scientific skepticism which as small part of philosophical skepticism. I quote from https://www.britannica.com/topic/skepticism
"Skepticism ... in Western philosophy, the attitude of doubting knowledge claims set forth in various areas. Skeptics have challenged the adequacy or reliability of these claims by asking what principles they are based upon or what they actually establish. They have questioned whether some such claims really are, as alleged, indubitable or necessarily true, and they have challenged the purported rational grounds of accepted assumptions."
2. 3.47 "[Skepticism is] Evidence based thinking."
I quote from http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_skepticism.html
"Skepticism ... is the philosophical position that one should refrain from making truth claims, and avoid the postulation of final truths. "
3. 6:05 "I have no faith in anything. I have trust."
I quote from
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/faith
"faith
NOUN
1 Complete trust or confidence in someone or something."
4. 6:29 "Skepticism is not a belief system ... it is a tool."
I quote from http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_skepticism.html
"Skepticism ... is [a] philosophical position" hence a belief system.
From https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Definition:Philosophical_Position
"A philosophical position is, broadly speaking, a belief that a particular statement is either true or false."
5. 8:37 "Modern skepticism looks like this chart - a co-mingling of science education and consumer protection. ... Right in the middle is skepticism."
I again quote from http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_skepticism.html
"Skepticism ... is the philosophical position that one should refrain from making truth claims, and avoid the postulation of final truths. "
At 22:04 he states: "Learn which resources to trust." I totally agree! Don't trust this TED talk as a reliable resource on philosophical skepticism. It fails the CRAP test.
I quote from hhttps://libraries.mercer.edu/research-tools-help/citation-tools-help/images/PrintableCRAPtest.pdf
"Evaluating Research Sources
Currency ...
Reliability/Relevance ...
Authority - Who authored this information? ...
- Are their credentials provided?
- What is their reputation or expertise? *[Hint: A degree in music, and doing lots of podcasts, does not make you an expert in philosophy.] ...
Purpose/Point-of-View"
I do agree with him on another point (23:50). Treat this TED talk as an April Fool's joke. Check before you forward this post (21:48). Get an education in philosophical skepticism in the Links below. Scientific skepticism is only a very small part of philosophical skepticism.
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LINKS ON PHILOSOPHICAL SKEPTICISM
http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_skepticism.html
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/skepticism/
http://www.iep.utm.edu/skepcont/
LINKS ON PHILOSOPHICAL SKEPTICISM
http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_skepticism.html
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/skepticism/
http://www.iep.utm.edu/skepcont/
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CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE INEQUALITY VS MARRIAGE EQUALITY - AUSTRALIA
There are many homophobic Christians in Australia. The Galaxy poll suggests 47% of Christians are homophobic. (53% support marriage equality.) Why should this 47% of 64% of the population (the percentage of Christians in Australia according to the last census) force its minority view on the majority of Australian society? A mere 6,700,000 homophobes forcing their minority view on 17,700,000 other people. (Figures rounded). How can such an imposition be morally (not theologically) justified?
The term "marriage equality" means that this is a debate about the human right of equality under the law. I am speaking specifically about marriage equality as opposed to marriage inequality.
What is the moral good in inequality? (Homophobia promotes inequality.)
Associated with those questions is: What is the harm in equality?
If all anyone has to answer these questions is subjective interpretation of fallible bible verses then it isn't much of a sound valid argument. It is only relevant to Christians who believe subjective interpretation of fallible bible verses.
They embody the exact opposite of the command to "love your neighbour as yourself" as they treat the neighbour differently than one treats oneself. They embody the exact opposite of the fruit of the Spirit:"love ... forbearance, kindness, goodness .. "
All Christian notions of God and "biblical ethics" ( and thus marriage inequality itself) rely on "subjective interpretations of fallible bible verses". Breaking that phrase down:
- "subjective interpretations" All Christian concepts have their roots in bible verses as understood by fallible humans. None of it is totally objective. This means that there are often multiple interpretations of the same bible verse.
- "fallible bible verses". The bible was written by humans and has all the flaws of human writing. Though some parts are history much of it is not history. The bible has not been proven to be inerrant. If every word is "God's Word" then why has God placed so many errors withing the text and words within the Hebrew and Greek that have lost their original meaning? If the bible is "God's Word' and totally reliable then which is the one and only true ending to Mark's gospel as there are several endings written by different people at different stages in time? The bible also contains pseudo-graphs which, in modern parlance, we would call "forgery".
If one takes love as a good as the premise then it has ramifications within Christian dogma and theology where love is central. It also has huge ramifications for Christian marriage inequality.
Christians have a long history of opposing the granting of rights to groups. There is a distinct pattern.
Racism (including slavery): In the past Christian groups argued that people of colour were inferior using bible verses and "the curse of Ham". Slave advocates quoted the fact that the bible condones slavery in both the New and Old Testament. They denied equal rights to people of colour.
Sexism: In the past Christian groups argued that women were to be under the "covering" of a male and quoted bible verses to deny women the same rights as men. For example, opposing women as clergy.
Exactly the same is now happening as Christians argue for marriage inequality that denies equal rights to the LGBTI community.
The premises upon which Christian marriage inequality is built upon are largely invalid arguments such as the following fallacies:
- the appeal to history
- special pleading
- the texas sharp shooter
- genetic
- slippery slope
- appeal to fear
- composition / division
- appeal to emotion
(Not an exhaustive list.)
I haven't seen a single argument for Christian marriage inequality that has not used at least one of the fallacies above.
The term "marriage equality" means that this is a debate about the human right of equality under the law. I am speaking specifically about marriage equality as opposed to marriage inequality.
What is the moral good in inequality? (Homophobia promotes inequality.)
Associated with those questions is: What is the harm in equality?
If all anyone has to answer these questions is subjective interpretation of fallible bible verses then it isn't much of a sound valid argument. It is only relevant to Christians who believe subjective interpretation of fallible bible verses.
They embody the exact opposite of the command to "love your neighbour as yourself" as they treat the neighbour differently than one treats oneself. They embody the exact opposite of the fruit of the Spirit:"love ... forbearance, kindness, goodness .. "
All Christian notions of God and "biblical ethics" ( and thus marriage inequality itself) rely on "subjective interpretations of fallible bible verses". Breaking that phrase down:
- "subjective interpretations" All Christian concepts have their roots in bible verses as understood by fallible humans. None of it is totally objective. This means that there are often multiple interpretations of the same bible verse.
- "fallible bible verses". The bible was written by humans and has all the flaws of human writing. Though some parts are history much of it is not history. The bible has not been proven to be inerrant. If every word is "God's Word" then why has God placed so many errors withing the text and words within the Hebrew and Greek that have lost their original meaning? If the bible is "God's Word' and totally reliable then which is the one and only true ending to Mark's gospel as there are several endings written by different people at different stages in time? The bible also contains pseudo-graphs which, in modern parlance, we would call "forgery".
If one takes love as a good as the premise then it has ramifications within Christian dogma and theology where love is central. It also has huge ramifications for Christian marriage inequality.
Christians have a long history of opposing the granting of rights to groups. There is a distinct pattern.
Racism (including slavery): In the past Christian groups argued that people of colour were inferior using bible verses and "the curse of Ham". Slave advocates quoted the fact that the bible condones slavery in both the New and Old Testament. They denied equal rights to people of colour.
Sexism: In the past Christian groups argued that women were to be under the "covering" of a male and quoted bible verses to deny women the same rights as men. For example, opposing women as clergy.
Exactly the same is now happening as Christians argue for marriage inequality that denies equal rights to the LGBTI community.
The premises upon which Christian marriage inequality is built upon are largely invalid arguments such as the following fallacies:
- the appeal to history
- special pleading
- the texas sharp shooter
- genetic
- slippery slope
- appeal to fear
- composition / division
- appeal to emotion
(Not an exhaustive list.)
I haven't seen a single argument for Christian marriage inequality that has not used at least one of the fallacies above.
Labels:
Homophobia
Tuesday
WHAT IF I'M WRONG?
Some very basic philosophical questions: "What really matters to you? How should you then live?" You can find out the answer by measuring the time you spend on certain activities. This is relevant to atheists, theists, agnostics and non-theists. If any person associated with those groups spends the majority of their time telling other people how they should live their lives then they probably don't have much of an "authentic" life ( to quote atheist Jean-Paul Sartre). They are, instead, totally consumed with ensuring everyone else has the exact same world-view as themselves and are thus "inauthentic".
I'd rather live my own life and enjoy it than spend my life consumed with telling others what to do and how they are wrong because they don't share my worldview.
An "inauthentic" life becomes worse when, if you follow some of the new atheists, you are supposed to spend at least part of it mocking the views of others. Mocking is not a logic argument. Therefore my question is: "Is it far more important to spend the vast majority of your limited time telling others that they are wrong rather than living your own finite life? What is the benefit of such a life both to oneself and to others?" Whatever your answer, it is equally relevant to atheists, theists, agnostics and non-theists.
Of course, the other huge philosophical question is: "What if I am wrong and I have spent the majority of my finite life telling people to follow my error?"
I'd rather live my own life and enjoy it than spend my life consumed with telling others what to do and how they are wrong because they don't share my worldview.
An "inauthentic" life becomes worse when, if you follow some of the new atheists, you are supposed to spend at least part of it mocking the views of others. Mocking is not a logic argument. Therefore my question is: "Is it far more important to spend the vast majority of your limited time telling others that they are wrong rather than living your own finite life? What is the benefit of such a life both to oneself and to others?" Whatever your answer, it is equally relevant to atheists, theists, agnostics and non-theists.
Of course, the other huge philosophical question is: "What if I am wrong and I have spent the majority of my finite life telling people to follow my error?"
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Philosophy
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