Friday

INFINITE GOD & EXISTENCE


"As soon as you think of God, you need to put brackets around it because you're only thinking in your own terms and your own language.  I'm thinking in English.  My thinking is inadequate for something better expressed in Hindi.  You cannot think about God, you cannot have any knowledge of God but, at the same time, you have to, in order to cope with your personal religious needs. In fact, you cannot know God in any way because there is nothing you can say about God that is true."

Barbara Thiering in Samantha Trenoweth "The Future of God: Personal adventures in spirituality with thirteen of today's eminent thinkers" (Millenniun: 1995) pp. 176-177

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"In Him we live and move and have our being"- Acts 17:28.

This states more about God for 21st century citizens than any bible verse or religious text. God cannot exist as all existence is predicated by time and space. If God exists then God must exist in time and space. Time and space then become greater than God for God is existent within them and reliant upon them. If God is existent within time and space then God must be limited by time and space and therefore finite. A finite God existing in time and space is exactly what Jesus is to Christians. Jesus is a very poor God - so inferior that he is able to be crucified and die. Both Jews and Muslims rightly reject any human being the infinite God.

If God is infinite then God cannot be Jesus and Jesus cannot be God. Jesus is finite. A finite God such as Jesus can be comprehended by finite minds. An infinite God cannot be comprehended by finite minds as no finite mind can fully comprehend the infinite.

Infinite is not merely "very big".

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in·fi·nite
adj.
1. Having no boundaries or limits.
2. Immeasurably great or large; boundless ...
3. Mathematics
a. Existing beyond or being greater than any arbitrarily large value.
b. Unlimited in spatial extent: a line of infinite length.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

infinite
adj
1.
a.  having no limits or boundaries in time, space, extent, or magnitude
b.  (as noun; preceded by the) the infinite
2. extremely or immeasurably great or numerous ...
3. all-embracing, absolute, or total ...
4. (Mathematics) Maths
a.  having an unlimited number of digits, factors, terms, members, etc. ...
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998,  2000, 2003
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Suppose all existence is a small fish in the ocean. The ocean it is the whole of the oceans in world all connected by arbitrary borders. There are not many different oceans but one whole ocean.  How much of this huge ocean can one fish explore in a lifetime? A very small percent. What about all the same species of fish that the fish belongs to? Again it is limited to a small area in comparison to the whole of the ocean.

If fish were able to describe the ocean what could one fish say about it? It could perhaps refer to the generations of other fish and their experience as well as its own experience. Has it been in every area of the ocean? Of course not. Neither has all its species. It's description of the ocean would be extremely limited.

How large is the ocean compared to the fish? It is beyond the ability of the fish to comprehend it.

The fish is completely dependent upon the ocean for its survival. It cannot exist outside on dry land outside that environment.

Can all the ocean be inside the small fish? If it is a usual small fish then it is utterly impossible.

This analogy is flawed for a number of reasons.

First, the fish does not have the ocean within every part of its body. An infinite God is within all of existence. (Panentheism.)

Secondly, the ocean is too small to depict an infinite God. If we retold the analogy with an ocean a billion times the current ocean of the world it would still be too small. A trillion billion tmes larger is still too small. Infinite is not just very large but so large that we cannot fathom it. A small fish in an ocean a trillion billion times larger than the earth's ocean is still a flawed incomplete analogy but approximates the idea of what existence is compared to an infinite God. All existence ( including all time and space) is so massively small compared to an infinite God that we cannot fathom it. An infinite God in comparison to existence (including all time and space) is so massively large that we cannot fathom it. In comparison we are each smaller than an atom of the fish in the ocean.

All statements about an infinite God are thus flawed because of the size of the infinite God and the size of the mind of the finite person making such statements. It is far more honest to speak of the Mystery that is God than to make definite pronouncements on such a small experience of an infinite God.

"No one knows for certain and so it's all the same to me.
I think I'll just let the mystery be
." - Iris Dement "Let The Mystery Be"

"Try to realize it's all within yourself
No-one else can make you change
And to see you're really only very small,
And life flows on within you and without you.
"- George Harrison "Within You And Without You"