Thursday

Further problems with the notion that the finite human Jesus is somehow the infinite One God



Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant who follow Judaism and only went to the Jews with his gospel. At the last supper Jesus would have sang Psalm 118, the usual final hymn of the Passover hallel ....

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PSALM 118 (New Jerusalem Version) *[ my comment]

1.Alleluia! Give thanks to YAHWEH *[ not the human Jesus] for he is good, for his faithful love endures for ever. ... 8.It is better to take refuge in Yahweh than to rely on HUMAN BEINGS* [including the human Jesus] ... 14.YAHWEH is my strength and my song, he has been my SAVIOUR *[not the human Jesus]. ... 21. I thank you *[YAHWEH] for hearing me, and making yourself MY SAVIOUR *[ not the human Jesus]. ... 27. YAHWEH is God *[not the human Jesus] , he gives us light. ... 28.You *[YAHWEH] are MY GOD *[ not the human Jesus], I thank you, all praise to you, MY GOD *[ not the human Jesus. I thank you for hearing me, and making yourself my SAVIOUR *[ not the human Jesus] ...

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How can you definitively know WHO is the One God Yahweh? Easy! It's in the bible that Christians think is the "Word of God".

"I the LORD (YAHWEH) am your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage: You shall have NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME (YAHWEH)." - Exodus 20:1-6 (JPS Tanakh)

"I the LORD (YAHWEH) am your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage: You shall have NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME (YAHWEH)." - Deuteronomy 5:6-7 (JPS Tanakh)

The historic time / space Jesus of Nazareth did NOT bring the people of Israel "out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage". THEREFORE Jesus is NOT the infinite One God Yahweh and "You will have no gods other than me (the infinite One God Yahweh)".

Yahweh is ONE God (and not three) according to the Jewish Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4) literally 

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Hear, O Israel! "YAHWEH is our God! YAHWEH is ONE!"

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The very very title Messiah / Christ speaks against the concept of a human god as the title means one anointed / equipped BY God for a task that God has sent him to do. God has absolutley no reason to anoint / equip himself. he already has the necessary tools. God is not sent by anyone but rather sends others. God commands the human Messiah / Christ and has no need to be commanded by anyone else. The Messiah / Christ is lorded over by another Lord but God has no Lord above him.

God becoming human would utterly diminsh God. The Creator is always diminished by being a creation. The infinite is utterly destroyed and annihilated by becoming finite.

The concept of a human God came to Christianity via Greek mythology. There were all finite gods. Yahweh is infinite. Jesus as God is only possible by having a diminished view of God. The problem with Jesus being God is an insufficient limited view of God.

For example, Jesus is depicted by Christianity as currently being seated at the right hand of God. If one believes the trinity then one has God the Father seated on a throne flanked by Jesus on his right side and the holy spirit on his left side. This is a very nice image if all the three are finite beings. It is an image stolen from Greek mythology. That is the image you are working with when you speak of God being projected into our 3 dimensions. It assumes that God is a limited thing - a being.

God is infinite and unlimited and therefore the image is totally incorrect. God is in reality on the middle throne, within his throne, on Jesus' throne and that of the holy spirit, within both Jesus and the holy spirit (how can one have God within God?), within all of heaven and within all of the universe and within all of any mulitiverses. There is not a throne on which all of God is literally seated.

This infinite God is partly within Jesus (as the infinite God is with all things) but Jesus is not fully within all of God or equal to the inifinte God as Jesus is most definitely limited and finite. There is nowhere where an infinite God is not. There are definite places where Jesus is not. Jesus has to return in order to fulfil all the messianic prophecies. The infinite God has never left and has no need to return to that which he never left.

The human seated at the right hand of God is in a position of privilege. The human has the favour of God. God does not need to show favour to himself. The God seated at the left hand of the human messiah is in a position of authority over the human messiah. The messiah does not have position of authority over God but is chosen, equipped, commanded by and sent by God. The human messiah does not choose, equip, command or send God.

The other huge problem is that Christianity is not true monotheism. It is a tri-theism that is usually practised as a bi-theism. Though claiming that the Father (Yahweh), Jesus and the holy spirit are all one God in fact Christians usually only worship Jesus as God with a mention of God the Father (Yahweh) sometimes and an almost total ignoring of the holy spirit. Quite a strange response if Jesus was mentioning a trinity in his greatest commandment. It is also strange that Jews never worshipped the holy sopirit in the Old Testament and never named the holy spirit as a part of a two or three personed God. Instead Jews see the holy spirit as the shekinah glory of Yahweh (the felt presence of Yahweh - an attribute and not a person). Muslims believe the holy spirit is the angel Gabriel and not God at all - a messenger sent by God.

Christians prefer Jesus as God because it is an easy concept to understand much as in the same way the Greek gods had human traits and characteristics. What is utterly difficult to comprehend is the notion of an infinite God who is spirit - the Jewish and Islamic view. Such a God cannot be imited in any manner and certainly cannot be contained or confined fully within a finite human.