Friday

WHY JESUS IS NOT GOD

COMPARISON BETWEEN
THE ONE GOD YAHWEH
&
THE HUMAN JESUS OF NAZARETH

The infinite One God Yahweh is:
- everywhere (omnipresent):
- all knowing (omniscient)
- all powerful (omnipotent)
- Spirit
- eternal, self-existent
- invisible
- immutable (unchangeable)
- does not urinate, deficate or pass wind.
- does not get tired or sleep.
- does not die.
- sends but is not sent
- rules but is not ruled over
- commands but is not commanded
- anoints the human Messiah / Christ

BUT

The finite historic time / space human Jesus of Nazareth is:
- confined / restricted to his human body
- doesn't know when the end will come
- heals a man in stages with spittle and dust
- cannot do miracles because of people's unbelief.
- human flesh with a spirit.
- began as a fetus inside Mary
- totally visible from his birth till his death.
- changed in the normal physical and psychological stages of all humans /aged.
- urinated, deficated and passed wind.
- got tired and slept
- died by Roman execution.
- was sent and did not send
- is ruled over
- is commanded
- is anointed by God

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"I the LORD (YAHWEH) am your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
the house of bondage: You shall have NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME (YAHWEH)." -
Exodus 20:1-6 (JPS Tanakh)

"I the LORD (YAHWEH) am your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
the house of bondage: You shall have NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME (YAHWEH)." -
Deuteronomy 5:6-7 (JPS Tanakh)

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The historic time / space Jesus of Nazareth did NOT bring the people of Israel "out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage".

THEREFORE

Jesus is NOT the infinite One God Yahweh and "You will have no gods other than me (the infinite One God Yahweh)".

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Who is greater the ANOINTER or the ANOINTED?

The ANOINTER (the One God / Yahweh) is far greater than the ANOINTED:

1. CYRUS (Isaiah 45:1)
2. THE PATRIACHS (Psalm 105:15)
3. ISRAEL (Habakkuk 3:13, Psalm 28: 8; 84:10)
4. JESUS OF NAZARETH (Act 2:36)

IF "Messiah" means "God" then why aren't Cyrus, the Patriachs and Israel
considered to be the One God (Yahweh) alongside Jesus of Nazareth???????

-
"God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21) NOT "God WAS Christ"

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JESUS baptised for the forgiveness of his SINS

DOES GOD SIN?????

- Mark 1:4 "John the baptizer appeared in the wilderness, PREACHING A
BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS."
- Matthew 3:6 "They were BAPTISED by him the river Jordan, CONFESSIING THEIR SIN"
- Luke 3:3 " and he went into all the region about the Jordan, PREACHING A
BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN"

ANY sinner seeing Jesus of Nazareth being baptised by John the Baptist would immeditely think that it was the SAME baptism that Johnthe Baptist had always given - BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS" - the phrase that is used repeatedly for John the Baptist's baptism.

ANY sinner seeing Jesus of Nazareth being baptised by John the Baptist would also immeditely think that Jesus had repented of his sins for there was NO OTHER REASON that John the Baptist baptised.

If John the Baptist HAD baptised Jesus differently then he would have stated so and made sure to say that "Jesus is God! He doesn't need forgiveness. I am about to baptise him for his ministry." INSTEAD JOHN THE BAPTIST IS NOT SURE THAT JESUS OF NAZARETH IS "THE ONE" (MESSIAH / CHRIST)! Read Matthew 11: 2-3 and Luke 7:19.

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Matthew 11: 2-3

Now when John heard about the deeds of the Christ, he sent word by his disciples and said to him,"ARE YOU HE WHO IS TO COME, OR SHALL WE LOOK FOR ANOTHER?"

Luke 7: 19

And John, calling to him two of his disciples, sent them to the Lord, saying, "ARE YOU HE WHO IS TO COME, OR SHALL WE LOOK FOR ANOTHER?"

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The above two passages clearly demonstrate that John the Baptist didn't think Jesus of Nazareth was the One God Yahweh and was uncertain whether he was really the Messiah / Christ!!!!!

One should use one's God-given mind and integrate what is clearly stated by John the Baptist in Matthew 11: 2-3 (written 85 CE) and Luke 7:19 (written 90 CE). I also note that the later John's Gospel (written 90 - 120 CE) omits John the Baptist's questions as well as his baptism of Jesus as, by this time, it is an embarrassment to have Jesus as "god" being baptised for his sins
and then later being asked whether he really is the Messiah or not by the person who did the baptism.

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Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18 - He (JESUS) said to him, "Why do you ask ME about the good ? There is ONLY ONE who is good, that is, GOD.

Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34 (JESUS speaking) "MY GOD, MY GOD, why hast thou forsaken me?

John 14:28 - My Father (YAHWEH) is GREATER than I (JESUS)

John 20:17 - "I [Jesus] am ascending to MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, MY GOD AND YOUR GOD"

Act 2:36 - " Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that GOD [YAHWEH] has MADE him both Lord (BOSS) and Christ, this JESUS whom you crucified."

1 Corinthians 11:3 - The HEAD of Christ is GOD.

1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is ONE GOD God, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, the MAN Christ Jesus.

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John 5:31 - If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 1:18 - No man has seen god.

Since people saw Jesus of Nazareth - then Jesus of Nazareth CANNOT be God.

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Numbers 23: 19 - God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Mark 13: 32 - "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

If God and Jesus were the same person, how come the son does not know the time, only the father does??

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Jesus was a human like us and not God. Jesus came to know things gradually and sequentially.

LK 2:52 "Jesus grew both in body and in wisdom, gaining favor with God and men." (The Jerusalem Bible: "And Jesus increased in wisdom, in stature, and in favour with God and men.")

MK 13:32 "No one knows, however, when that day or hour will come -- neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, only the Father knows."

LK 7:9 "Jesus was surprised when he heard this."

Jesus "increased in wisdom'? If one knows all, there are no surprises. The verse from Mark is even more revealing: there are some things that Jesus did not know.

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Jesus himself is not the proper object of faith.

...

Jesus called on his followers to trust the Father, to believe in God's domain or reign. The proper object of faith inspired by Jesus is to trust what Jesus trusted. For that reasonm, I am not primarily interested in affirmations about Jesus but in the truths that inspired and informed Jesus.

To call for faith in Jesus is to subsititute the agent for the reality, the proclaimer for the proclaimed. ...

Jesus pointed to God's domain, something he did not create, something he did not control. I want to discover what Jesus saw, or heard, or sensed that was so enchanting, so mezmerizing, so challenging that it held Jesus in its spell. And I do not want to be misled by what his followers did: instead of looking to see what he saw, his devoted disciples tended to stare at the pointing finger. Jesus himself should not be, must not be, the object of faith. That would be to repeat the idolatry of the first believers. - Robert W. Funk "Honest To Jesus: Jesus for a New Millenium" (Hodder &
Stoughton: 1996) pp. 304-305

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Trinitarianism ... the belief that there are three to the essence of God, is a belief accepted by all contemporary Christians. Judaism strongly disagrees. It stands firm in maintaining that God is One - without partners, self-sufficient, and indivisible. ... One is not Three and Three is not One. ... Judaism has serious difficulties with a number of trinitarian major premises:

- God is not human. Man is not God. The Christian doctrine of the Incarnation ... goes against the fundamental Jewish belief that God is incorporeal - that He has no body and cannot be affected by any of the weaknesses of the flesh. To say that God died then died on the cross seems incomprehensible. God cannot die - just as He does not "live" in human form.

- To worship Jesus as God is to violate the commandment that "You shall have no other gods before Me." ... "And the man Moses ..." (Numbers 12:3). God was careful to delineate the difference between Himself and human beings. Jews can't accept that a man or woman could possibly be God.

- Most disturbing of all to the Jewish idea of monotheism in the Trinity is that Judaism recognises no intermediary between God and man. The first of the Ten Commandments, "I am the LORD your God," is written with a Hebrew word that implies a singular "your." God speaks to every person directly and says, "I am accessible to you without any middle man." For the Jew, this means that he has an open line to God Himself. Praying to the Son to get to the Father goes against one of the major beliefs of Judaism, as later codified by Maimonides: "To Him and to Him alone shall you pray directly." A Jew belives that no-one else is supposed to talk for him, live for him - and certainly not die for him.

from Rabbi Benjamin Blech "The Complete Idiot's Guide To Understanding Judaism" (Alpha:2003) pp. 9-10
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Pre-Easter Jesus / Post-Easter Jesus

4 B.C.E. to 30 C.E. / 30 C.E. to present
Corporeal, human being of flesh and blood / Spiritual non-material reality
Finite and mortal / Infinite, eternal
Human / Divine
A Jewish peasant / King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Figure of the past / Figure of the present
Jesus of Nazareth / Jesus Christ
Monotheistic Jew / Becomes the second person of the trinity, "God with a human face"
Galilean Jew of the first century / "The Face of God" (metaphor based on 2 Cor. 4:6 Beholding the glory of God in the face of Christ)

The ONLY AUTHENTIC human time / space historic Jesus of Nazareth is the Pre-Easter Jesus.

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THE CONFUSION OF LORDS

"Lord" = "YHWH" in the Old Testament
"Lord" = "lord / boss" (refering to Jesus of Nazareth) in the New Testament
THEREFORE
YHWH = Jesus of Nazareth

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The confusion only works because of the substituted word ("Lord") for "YHWH"
in the Old Testament is the same word for "boss" in the New Testament.

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Lord does not mean God.
Lord means master / boss.

1) property owners are called Lord (Matt. 20:8, kurios is "owner" - NIV)
2) heads of households were called Lord (Mk 13:35, owner=kurios).
3) slave owners were called Lord (Matt. 10:24, master=kurios).
4) husbands were called Lord (1 Pet. 3:6, master=kurios).
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt. 21:30, sir=kurios).
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26, His Majesty=kurios).
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63, sir=kurios).

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HOW JESUS BECAME GOD

... in conventional hellenistic biographies ... Famous military and intellectual heroes were ofetn said to have at least one divinity as a parent. Miraculous births in depictions of their lives were the rule rather than the exception. ...

Reverse Christology: Stage One

.. Peter and others ... began to think of him as the son of Adam pictured in Daniel 7 ... perhaps the earliest Christian affirmation, has been described as a "Exaltation christology" - as an evaluation of Jesus that assigns him the role of son of Adam at his death and resurrection. ... Paul's letter to
the Romans ...

Christ Jesus, God's son,
descended from David,
appointed son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead. (Romans 1: 3-4)

In this view, Jesus became, or was elevated to, son of God by virtue of his resurrection. ...

Every Israelite ought now to be confident that God has appointed him both lord and messiah, this Jesus whom you crucified. (Acts 2: 36)

... Jesus himself at his trial:
You will see the son of Adam sitting at the right hand of Power and coming
with the clouds of the sky. (Mark 14:62)

Although his followers certainly regarded Jesus as an eschatological prophet during his brief public life, his real function was to be exercised in the future.

Reverse Christology: Stage Two

... he was designated son of God, not at his resurrection but at his baptism (this is known as "adoptionist christology") ...

He saw the skies torn open and the spoirit coming down toward him like a dove. There was also a voice from the skies: "You are my favored son - I fully approve of you." (Mark 1: 10-11)
...

Reverse Christology: Stage Three

... the gospels of Matthew and Luke ... moved the messianic status of Jesus back to his birth. .....

The hellenistic biography or encomium, following the model of Aristoxenus .... consisted of five elements: a miraculous or unusual birth, revealing childhgood episode (or episodes); a summary of wise teachings; wonderous deeds; a martydom or noble death. ...

Reverse Christology: Stage Four

... the prologue to John's gospel ... the Christ hymn in Philippians. ... The divine logos, a complex Greek term here translated "word and wisdom", existed from the beginning with God. ...

It is understandable that the bishops gathered at Nicea in 325 CE insisted on the full equality of Christ with the father: anything less would have put him on a par with other royal figures who could boast of one divine parent. Jesus the Christ had to be made coequal with God for political if not for theological reasons. In that process, the iconoclast was transformed into the icon.

from Robert W. Funk "Honest To Jesus" (Hodder & Stoughton: 1996) pp. 279 -295